September 25, 2007

QUESTION...

...Are you kidding me?!!

Okay, so maybe that's not the entirety of the question. But it is part of it. Allow me to explain...

We were leaving Story Time at our local library when one of the little boys... who happened to be dressed from head to toe in a Spiderman costume... out of the blue, hauls off and hits Selah (3). In front of me and his mom and the librarian.

Now we've been drilling our little girls about what to do in moments like that. "If someone hits you, you tell them to stop/back off." You see, we want them to learn to talk it out with their friends, instead of always expecting someone else to 'fight their battles' for them.

"If they don't stop, you tell a teacher or us." We want them to know that someone will, if need be, have their back. And that they can trust someone in authority to protect them.

"If there's no one close by, and they still are hitting you, push or hit them to get them off of you." Yes. I'm serious on this one. We want them to know that their purpose in life is not to stand idly by and let people abuse them, without having the okay to take up for themselves. Maybe if we had more aggressive children, we wouldn't be encouraging this. But my girls have stood by while another child was literally beating on them, feeling completely helpless.

(This whole parenting perspective came from reading John Eldredge's book "Wild at heart"...he talks about how God has called us to be warriors. But how we forget that, taking the whole "turn the other cheek" to the utmost extreme, and instead train our children from birth to be every one's doormat. Or something to that effect. I am unable to find the quote, but when my husband and I read it, it resonated within us.)

BUT ANYWAY. That's been our stance concerning this new stage in our children's lives: friendships with other independent little children.

So here I am, standing and talking to the librarian with Mom-of-Spiderman when it all happens. Selah looks at me, ready to cry, and proclaims that he hit her, hard. Being that the mom is standing there, I figure "Okay, I'm not going to discipline HER child. That's her job." So I tell Selah to talk to the little boy and tell him not to hit. But she looks scared.

Without Selah even saying anything, the boy starts arguing with her. Saying that she's lying. Selah looks at me. I look at his mom, who is watching this entire thing! (I can't see him well because from my point of view, he's mostly covered by a table. so in order to address him, I'd have to physically move to be standing right on top of the mother) But the mom says nothing. And I am so tongue-tied at this lack of her parental involvement that I, too, stand there speechless.

But not my 4 year old! She steps close to the boy and says, "Don't. you. hit. my. sister!" She says each word carefully, so that this little bully won't misunderstand she means business. I have to admit I'm proud. Not long ago, both of my girls would have cowered in the corner and done nothing.

Charis's proclamation sets off the 2 year old brother of the boy clad in superhero garb. For he gets in Charis's face and starts seriously going off. I mean the boy is yelling. screaming. physically shaking.

I look at the mom. Who does look horrified, but still says nothing to the boys. Are you kidding me?!! Not one word about not hitting. Nothing about apologizing. She just tries to quiet him down.

I look at the librarian, say bye, gather my three girls and leave. My girls are now heart-broken because there was no closure for them. As Selah has now started to cry because no one apologized for hitting her, not even the mom. And Charis's attempts at rectifying the situation caused mass hysteria from the other boy, in front of the mother, where nothing was said.

Yes, I spoke to them in the parking lot. and in the car. and at home. I told them I was proud of them. That the boys shouldn't have treated them that way. Etc Etc. They understood that, but didn't get why the other mommy said nothing.

Though apparently Charis DID get a rush from it. She proclaimed her warrior-like protective abilities for Selah on the way home and how she'll "ALWAYS PROTECT" her. ;) And then she said, "And I won't let anyone hurt you either, mommy!"

Aw. thanks hon.

In hindsight, as I've had a few days to think it over....I've come to the conclusion that if given the chance, I'd go ahead and correct the boys. Maybe? But...in all honesty, when situations like that spring from no where, I usually tend to let people's rudeness shock me to silence. But that is not something I want to model for my girls. Yes, I want them to extend grace to people. But no, I don't think I should set them up to accept that their role in life is to take any and all abuse people heap upon them.

*big sigh* So my question...what should I have done? What would you do in that situation?
Any thoughts?

18 comments:

Jolanthe said...

Ooooo...I just don't get some parents. Seriously. I think I would get down on their level in the future (literally) - eye to eye so that it's not perceived as being threatening (by either the kids or the other parent). I don't think that I personally would speak to the other parent directly, unless it was way out of control - or otherwise it would be in a "ha ha...just never know with kids, huh?" type of manner. I am really not too confrontational either (believe it or not). I still can't believe that the mother didn't intervene in any way shape or form. For real?

Foxy5 said...

wow, crazy day at the library. What would I have done? I probably would have assumed the watching mother would have taken care of it. I would have cheered on the inside as older protective sibling stepped up in defensive of younger verge of tears sibling. I would have given a firm "Let's calm down and not talk that way" to screaming brother of spiderman? and a "she doesn't like to be hit" to the not so super superhero - since Mom was apparently incapable of words. Then I would have scooped up my kids and headed out with an audible "Some kids make bad choices, thank you for being so good about it.." I am always taken aback when parents don't step up and take control (or at least TRY to) of their children. It has gotten to the point where if they don't I WILL. Things like this unfortunately do happen, and if the other parent is choosing to ignore, then this Mama will step up.
Hope future library trips are a little less hands on!

Kimmie said...

Wow, that is a very tough question...I have to say we haven't ever experienced anything like that.

I would definitely put it to prayer and have my kids praying with me if it was a situation that they were facing on a regular basis.

I think you handled it well, as part of the fruit of the Spirit is self-control, which you seemed to use in excellence.

Seek Him, He has your every answer ;-)

Kimmie
mama to 6
one homemade and 5 adopted

Anonymous said...

Your girls are so adorable! And to stand up to spiderman like that! :-)

Seriously, some mom's are in la la land and don't realize that their child's behavior is bad. To them it is most likely normal---what their little angel does all the time.

This reminds me of a recent event. We were at a playground and a little boy was throwing mulch at Isaac...with his parents watching. Scott asked the little boy to stop and he said no and continued to pelt our kid with fists full of much! So Scott, seeing that the parents were taking on the same shape as the bench they were lounging on, decided to correct the boy himself. He asked the kid to stop and the little angel said, "you're kidding?" Scott simply said, in a loving and very masculine yet intimidating macho way, "try me!" The kid ran off and never bothered Isaac again.

I don't know if he did the right thing. We're not in the business of correcting other people's children but we are going to protect our own at any expense.

I always think of that moment when our children are older and they are in a boardroom meeting and their boss jumps down their throat in front of coworkers. I want my kids to be able to respond in love yet protect their boundaries and be able to defend themselves in an appropriate manner. Not cower in a corner and wait until it passes.

It's such a slippery slope. Scott said you should have gotten the mother's phone number so you could call her at 2am to talk about it!!!

Mary@notbefore7 said...

Oh girl. I just don't understand how some parents can just let their children go nuts and not discipline them at all. I feel for this mom and her boys - they are headed down a very dark road.

I have, in fact, addressed other parent's children who had parents standing right there. If a child hits my child or takes things, etc, and the parent is NOT getting involved, I have.

I get on eye level with the child and say something like, "K asked you not to hit her. You need to stop now." or "That is K's toy and you need to give it back".

It sounds like you didn't see him hit her, so that makes this one more sticky, especially if he is lieing about it. The whole "parents taking sides" kinda thing. Not to mention, sounds like addressing him was tough due to the standing arrangement.

SO, to answer your question...yes, I have corrected other people's children. Should you have here? Probably not...I would have done exactly what you did. I would have explained to your girls that they did the right thing and that not everyone is taught how to behave.

What a day...huh?

Kate said...

This is a tough one. I agree with Kimmie's assessment and advice.

I think you did the right thing. The mom was there. It was her job to discipline her boys. It was your job to protect your girls. You did this by removing them from the situation.

My mind wonders all kinds of things about the other family. Was the mom embarrassed? Does she have special needs kids? Did she deal with them later in private? Does she lack parenting skills? I don't agree with her choice to ignore her kids but YOU dealt with your children appropriately. And sometimes the best we can do is to deal with our own kids.

Walking away is certainly a viable option in conflict resolution. One that you and Selah used to your advantage here. The conflict escalated with interaction and ended with the walking away in this case.

Keep an eye out for that family next week. Maybe you'll pick up some more clues as to why they behave they do (as you observe from a distance.)

Kate

Anonymous said...

I agree that you did the right thing. You took control of the situation by getting the girls out of harm’s way.

It’s hard to say whether or not you should have corrected the boys. Seems like maybe the mom just needed a little push, to get her involved. Maybe something like, “Did you see what happened?” or something like that could have kicked her into gear.

But, if she really had no intention of doing anything, she might have benefited from seeing how you corrected the boys. But, that’s a hard call.

Tracy said...

Hi Christin. I just got home from a long day SO...I am going to sleep now...and comment tomorrow! :) I will be back...

Anonymous said...

I just have to comment on this one.

I can just about see your face and feel the trembling in your hands on that ride home, as you try to explain things to the girls in this teachable moment...and still keep your composure.

I'm proud of my girls. I think they all did the right thing. Selah didn't hit back, you didn't overreact in the moment, and Charis, who was closest to the little boy's size, spoke up for Selah without being overly aggressive, so she has nothing to regret and she ended up being proud of herself for how she handled the whole thing :-)

Now...you have another teachable moment... you get to show the girls how to forgive from the heart, even when people aren't sorry for what they do...and on top of that, you and the girls get to have someone to pray for tomorrow :-) I think that family really needs someone who will pray for them.

I love how God really is able to work all things together for good to those that love Him.

Promise Christian Academy said...

Christin,
Something similar to that happened to us.. while in a thrift store a little boy tried, repeatedly, to hit my daughter with a tennis racket. This was after he kicked my 5 year old. The funny thing was, he looked to be almost 2 and my daughter was 11! He smelled of old pooh... long overdue for a diaper change... And his caregivers were very rough with him, verbally. Well, I had to put up my hand to block a hit (my daughter didn't see this one coming, she had blocked the others and told him 'no!') and we scooted to the non-toy side of the store to lookyloo a while. In the meantime, he was ranting and raving a looking for another 'victim'. I commented to my children that I wish we could bring him home with us (I was so upset with the way he was obviously *unappreciated* by his young mom and grandma...) My son responded loudly and full of question (mom are you crazy?) "why?"...it was funny! I said, so we could love him and show him how to be nice...(he was young enough to start over!) my son said then "oh! Yes, we could do that!" So when we left we prayed for him and have had many conversations about it since...
My kids are very 'doormatish' like me though really. Something we have been talking about... it is hard to find a balance of meekness and warrior... and not settle for doormat and bully.... oh well?

Jen said...

Don't you love how all of your silent readers speak up when you ask for advice? It's great!

Would your mom adopt me?

My opinion ... I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people make poor decisions because they don't know what else to do (in parenting, relationsips, etc). The mom was probably as shocked as you were and perhaps this was one thing on her list of problems that day. In addition to modeling for your daughtes, you probably showed her an appropriate way to behave in the situation.

OR ... there is this wave of parenting that is so permissive. Parents want their kids to be "independant" so they don't correct them or guide them. Obviously, this is counter productive. Maybe the mom was of this belief? If so, your kids might meet this boy again if they go into any helping profession at all.

I guess this isn't advice on how to handle it, but more my thoughts on WHY it happened. I agree with your mom that it's a lesson in forgiveness. There are mean people in the world and it's sad, but reality. I think I would, as you probably did, try to help them let it go so it didn't ruin their day, without invalidating their feelings.

randi said...

Wow, this is a tough one!

I probably would have said something rather impatient to the boy and maybe regretted it later (???), but i think that you handled things well. I seriously can't believe that the mother did nothing! If you would have intervened, things may have gotten ugly.

I think it is great that your kids stick up for each other!

Foxy5 said...

I fell asleep last night thinking about this question. I was thinking about all of the times I did step up and say something to someone else's child and all of the time's that I didn't. That makes it sound like situations like this are a regular occurrence at my house, it's not, but we have had our run in with bullies. I am the type of parent that does NOT like others disciplining my children. That being said I am also the type of parent that watches my children while out and about. I have friends and family that are the opposite. any adult becomes the authority and any child w/in ear shot becomes the target for discipline. I think that has played into how I react in situations at the playground (or the library). I always give a look around for a parent to claim their child. Sometimes there is one there running up to demand an apology, other times there is no one in sight, and other times - such as yours, they are watching the hole scene unroll. It's in those last 2 that obviously that I have to think about what I want to do. I have just walked away. I have told the kid "no". I have instructed my kids to talk it out. Roger and I have prayed for the kids. Every situation is different. I don't think there is a concrete right thing to do. I'm sure that you will run into a situation like this again, this stuff just happens with kids. I hope that when that time comes you will feel comfortable with your choices and that your girls will still feel safe and proud of the choices that they make.

Alisa said...

That is one tough situation!

You probably could have said something to the boys, even though they aren't your responsibility. I have said things to kids at the park about their course language (their parents weren't right there though!) I totally agree with you that we aren't just supposed to sit idly by and accept abuse.

Hopefully this situation will better prepare you for the next time something of this nature.

Anonymous said...

Wow! I think my reaction would be similar to yours. I'm not very good at thinking on my feet in uncomfortable situations. But I agree that this was an opportunity to teach your daughters some very important life lessons.

Tracy said...

Okay, you asked...

I have been thinking this whole thing through. I think what you did was fine. I do think it would have been okay to say something to the boy if the mom wasn't stepping in. I have done that before and MOST of the time the mom snaps out of it and does step in and control the child (haven't had one hit one of my kids, but have had a few other situations). Sometimes the mom just isn't registering what is happening, or has had no training on how to control her child so she doesn't have a clue. Sad.

I would not have hesitated to step in and say something even to the mom if she still didn't respond to her son's action. Especially if AFTER YOU said something to him and he still didn't stop. I mean, come on...the worst that she could have done was hit you (just kidding...hehe) the worst would have been that she got mad at you for correcting her son and...oh well, not fun but SHE wasn't doing it! I would have prayed the entire time and been as nice as possible...of course.

Just one little thought about that book (my husband read it). Make sure you hold up what he says up to scripture. Jesus does call us to be warriors...but PHYSICALLY? Just a thought....I had a lot more written, but it was turning into a book. :)

Use every opportunity to point your girls to Christ. This boy needs Jesus and so do they! (I know you already know that!...you seem like such a good mommy!)

Christin said...

** my comment to your comments is in the next blog post**

:)

Crystal said...

Christin, we are currently dealing with the pre-teen version of your experience & I'm wrestling with the correct response for our family. Your post is timely for me but I'm too emotional to respond right now...still sorting my thoughts. I'll be back later. ;-)